Internet Explorer 7

Scotsman · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: Internet Explorer 7

As you probably already know, Microsoft has released IE7.

After reviewing this release, I have found that STILL Explorer does not conform to web standards especially in regard to CSS support. As such this website will continue to recommend FireFox to Explorer users.

I am sorry for any inconvenience this may cause for IE users, however I do not have time to develop specialized code for one browser that refuses to follow industry standards when there are superior alternatives available that do conform to those standards.

Cheiron · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:10 am Post subject:

I just started making webstuff again after a couple of years away from it..... and am currently up to my neck in trying to make a Javascript I once made compatible with Firefox....

Just a little question in regard to browser vendors:

So by industry standards you mean that Mozilla follows the W3C standards and IE not... or do they both still have issues in some aspects?
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Scotsman · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:33 am Post subject:

FireFox, Mozilla, Camino, Safari aren't perfect but they support CSS 2.1 (part of the W3C standards) far better than IE.

Bri · Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 237 Location: Palm Springs, CA

This is a clip off the 7 development team blog.

MS could ship perfect CSS2 support and they would complain it isn't Firefox "bug compatible", that it doesn't retro-install into Windows 3.1. For an encore they would complain that because a fully compliant browser is in Windows that they need to fire up the whole monopoly machinery again because they can't compete anymore on features.

I have no doubt that some people would hate Microsoft even if it went open source, implemented every webstandard perfectly, fixed every security flaw and stbility problem in windows, and bought them a car. Still, give them a little more credit than that.

They wouldn't want IE to conform to Firefox bugs. If anything, they'd just find something else to legitimately complain about. Or perhaps they'd try to fix
more bugs in Firefox and then complain that IE doesn't do that properly (nevermind that Firefox didn't either, a week ago).

As for Windows, they wouldn't care, because anyone who hates Microsoft that much is running Linux or OS X.
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I visit this entire web site in MS, Firefox and Opera and the only item I see different is that FireFox warning rant when I am on MS ...

Well, lets be honest. Most of the people making the most noise will >never< forgive MS simply because it >is< MS.
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Scotsman · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:

No doubt Bri, but I'd just be happy if they fixed the CSS support so the boxs worked correctly (note the breaks in section title boxes when using IE and they know it's broken is whats even more frustrating). They at least appear to have fixed the bugs with PNG transparencies in 7.

Cheiron · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:

AHA... so there is a bug with png transparency in IE 6??... thought it was me going bonkers..
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Spade Aceman · Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Minnesnowta, USA

Actually, from what I've been reading, it sounds like the use of a <!DOCTYPE> might solve these CSS box-rendering issues in IE.

When there's no doctype in an HTML document, browsers fall back into their own individualistic quirky CSS rendering. This may be what's still happening with IE7.

http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=85FEE

So, you could check to see if simply adding an HTML 4.01 doctype (as shown in the article at the link above) resolves the CSS box-handling bugs in IE.

Cheiron · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:16 am Post subject:

Hmmmm......
now that might be just the case.

I am transforming an oooold website to ...well hopefully XHTML compliant, but it takes time and reading to get uptodate, currently burried in Thomas Powell: XHTML & HTML. The Complete Reference.

thanks for the suggestion, SpadeAceman

Very Happy

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Spade Aceman · Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Minnesnowta, USA

Glad I can help. Smile

Here's another link I found on how the different doctypes work in different browsers, including a chart showing which mode each doctype puts them in: quirks mode (different for each browser), almost-standards mode (close to, but not quite at, the W3C standards), and standards mode.

http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

Note that, even with a doctype, IE doesn't get any higher than "almost-standards" mode (though this chart doesn't show IE7 yet). So, adding a doctype may not guarantee that all CSS layout-related issues will be fixed consistently from browser to browser.

Nevertheless, the information at this page is quite informative, and underlines the importance of always specifying a valid doctype, to prevent browsers from reverting to their own individualistic, quirky HTML rendering.

Scotsman · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

Tried adding the doc type to these pages, doesn't look like it made any difference with IE7 at least. Will have to poke at it more later as I'm working on a bunch website stuff anyway.

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